Guest post by Tallis
The more I think about Chiles-Cerro Negro the more I get worried about it and the less simple the answer seems. I can’t seem to make sense of this system and its recent unrest. I have already written a piece on this system but I wasn’t entirely satisfied with it. I spoke from frustration from a lack of conclusive data but know I have concluded my investigation and am sharing the information as well as my conclusion with you. If you would like some more context about what I am talking about then you should read my previous piece. Simply put Chiles-Cerro Negro just had large earthquake swarm the past year but the swarm is currently going on a downward trend. I have recently endeavoured to find what has been causing the swarm but have found roadblocks in my way that has lead to me to giving up on trying to gain more information on this system because the data from the geological surveys concerning the past few months makes absolutely no sense.
The Colombian and Ecudorian governments monitors this system and both have worked together to make reports and share their data. Their geological surveys are call SGC -OVSP and IGEPN respectively. I know that these are poorer governments and they may not have access to enough resources to paint a conclusive picture of what is going on but I am starting to believe something is wrong with these organizations.
The first issue is that they are not reporting the same number of earthquakes and I am not talking about a small difference. Last week, the SGC reported over 400 earthquakes and the IGEPN reported a little bit more then a dozen. You don’t have to be a super genius to know that is a large difference, keep in mind the fact they are monitoring the same area and getting vastly different results. There are no filters or explanations on their websites that would excuse this vast difference in data. One side could have poorer instrumentation and the other better but there is another issue. IGEPN has reported deformation and hydrothermal activity and the SGC-OVSP hasn’t. Whose data shall we trust? I have asked Albert about this and he gave this response.
Anyone’s guess, really. These are two different organizations in different countries each probably operating their own instruments. One report covers 1 week, the other 6 months. One goes down to M=-1(!), for the other I don’t know the limits. The spatial plot has a ‘cross’ of earthquakes: all these must be events where the location is only known in one direction, not in the other.
Feel free to offer your perspective on this peculiar situation. I am not sure if Albert’s answer is correct simply because I can’t verify it but his answer was enough for me to move on until I discovered another issue. Their data doesn’t even match their own reports. At first, I thought I could look at the record of the groups and discern whose data was more trustworthy but that only led me further down the rabbit hole. The October monthly report from the SGC reported that total cumulative seismic energy reached 2.07E+9 joules over energy despite two magnitude 3 quakes taking place in that period not counting the other 3469 earthquakes that month. Two magnitude 3 earthquakes should release almost twice as much of the energy than reported. Same basic issue with the September report. Once again if you have an explanation for this discrepancy feel free to showcase my ignorance
The IGEPN has a different issue. This system has produced over 147,000 earthquakes from last year till the end of summer this year but when I checked the seismic map back in October in only showed 4,000 in past 6 months, and that would mean 143,000 earthquakes would have to have happened in the previous 6 months; something that isn’t corroborated with either groups reports. Unfortunately I didn’t make a screenshot so you are just going to have to take my word for it, discount my claims or stay in a neutral position.
This conflicting data makes it impossible to get a clear picture of what is happening at this system to the point that I will no longer track it unless something changes. The cause of this egregious error is mysterious, is it incompetence, malice, or a lack of resources? Anyone’s guess. Perhaps I should make contact with these groups and inquire on what the issues are but I don’t have the time interest.
There is a lack of concrete data, a mysterious volcanic complex, a lack of papers or interest, and unknown variables. What could come from this system? Nothing and everything. A catastrophic eruption that brings death or just a footnote in the study of volcanoes. So the result of this activity is up in the air as well as the cause at this moment. The current downward trend on this swarm is either really good, really neutral, or really bad. Which one could it be?
The really good
This scenario essentially means that the downturn of this swarm mean that volcanic unrest is coming to an end for good. The past swarm was not as prevalent as the seismic crisis. Theoretically the swarm could mean that the chamber could stabilizing after a decrease of magmatic fluid to the system.
This doesn’t seem to likely because there is no subsidence and the other trends reported still show small increases in heat and uplift. If this scenario were to follow through then we would see a gradual decrease in these signs as well.
The swarm was the result of a plug developing within in the system and the chances of an eruption in the future has gone down substantially. This would have little impact on the other signs and not inhibit the unrest within the magma chamber.
This can’t be proven without more extensive study or monitoring and while it isn’t impossible that this the cause that doesn’t mean there is any proof for this hypothesis.
The really bad
This swarm is roof of the magma chamber starting to fail and may stress regional faults soon which could precede a large eruption. The low energy nature of the swarm could be indicative of a more subtle but still significant increase in volatility within the magma chamber. The deformation rate hasn’t increased and this weakens the possibility of this scenario, and the earthquakes taking place at great range of depth and area and not being concentrated in the area of the greatest deformation makes me think that this not very likely.
The swarm was representative of the weakening of a deep plug increasing the chances of an eruption in the near future. I absolutely have no proof that there is even a plug let alone it’s weakening, besides some of these earthquakes are shallow and definitely not the result of deep plug weakening
The really neutral
The swarm is not the result of magmatic activity and is hydrothermal in origin as such it doesn’t speak to the condition of the magma chamber. There are plethora of issues within the hydrothermal system that could cause this swarm and could lead to phreatic activity. This could be the result of the disruption of the hydrothermal chamber by the magma intrusion.
The swarm seems to widespread to be hydrothermal in origin and there is so surface representation of this destabilization. While it is not impossible it seems unlikely.
The swarm is a result of a plethora of smaller scale changes within the systems happening at the same time and speaks little to systems future. Possible but no proof or evidence.
Just 6 of the scenarios I have in my head but with the inconclusive data from geological agencies, our imaginations can go wild on what is going on with the system. The eruptive history of this system is poorly constrained as well. Some sources state that this complex likely erupted during the Holocene and others say the last eruption was in the Pleistocene. For heaven’s sake, there might have been an eruption in 1932 but that hasn’t been confirmed. We don’t even have a conclusive history for this system so what I am going say next may seem like it comes from nothing more than my overactive imagination. I believe this system has the potential to produce a large caldera forming eruption in the near future.
I know that’s a bold claim and I have already spent a large portion of this article going over how the data from the IGEPN and SGC only serves to paint a more confusing picture on what is going on but with the reports that we do have I believe this activity somewhat matches the progress of a Phantom Caldera. Before I explain my logic, here are the excerpts from all my sources.
The Chiles-Cerro Negro unrest is perhaps the most intense. Chiles and Cerro Negro are stratovolcanoes on the Ecuador-Colombian border that, until recently, had no historical activity. Since 2013 unrest has persisted at the volcanoes, culminating in a swarm of several thousand volcano-tectonic earthquakes per day in October 2014. At the height of this unrest, there was a M5.6 earthquake just south of Volcán Chiles. CEOS data, in particular, CosmosSkyMed and TerraSAR-X interferograms, showed about 30 cm of ground movement associated with this earthquake and allowed us to estimate the position and slip on the fault plane that ruptured (Figure). Larger earthquakes that occur during volcanic unrest can tell us about changes to the subsurface stress field and are important to understand for assessing volcanic hazard.
Satellite radar data spanning this earthquake detects displacements that are consistent with dextral oblique slip on a reverse fault at depths of 1.4—3.4 km within a SSW-NNE trending fault zone that last ruptured in 1886. GPS station measurements capture ~ 20 days of uplift before the earthquake, probably originating from a pressure source ~10-15km south of Volcán Chiles, at depths exceeding 13 km.
(MEER/CELEC/INP/CGS, 2013) states that Chalpatán is an Early Pleistocene (2 –1.2 Ma) collapse caldera, 8km in diameter. The diameter halves at 1,200m depth and the floor is between 1,600 and 1,800 m depth, indicated by a resistive substratum. Post caldera lavas are andesites and dacites, about 1 Ma in age. The caldera floor is cut by a NNW-SSE fault and basement at the eastern block is uplifted as compared to the western block. Regional NNE faulting affects the caldera and has associated normal faults. Caldera fill is complex and consists of pyroclastic deposits, sediments and lavas, which are less compacted down to 1000m, but compaction increases towards caldera floor at 1,600 m.
According to the GPS bases installed in the field, it is observed that the Chiles – Cerro Negro Volcanic Complex continues with the deformation process recorded since 2015 (Fig. 5). However, since mid-2018, the North component of the CHLW GPS base, located to the southwest of the Chiles volcano, presents a stabilization; while the North component of the CHLS GPS base, located south-east of the Chiles volcano, continues its movement towards the North. This behavior may indicate that the location of the deformation source is migrating. Another possibility is that a new source of deformation, closer to the volcanic complex, has been present in recent months. The East component continues to register a constant separation between the CHLS and CHLW bases. The vertical component shows that CHLS and CHLW continue to rise with respect to the IBEC, COEC and LIEC reference bases, at a rate of ~ 3 cm / year. These signs indicate that the area of Chiles – Cerro Negro, Potrerillos and surrounding sectors, are in a process of inflation.
The trends described by the time series of the GPS stations are consistent with what was observed by means of the InSAR satellite interferometry technique. Figure 6 shows the deformation detected in the El Ángel Ecological Reserve area between October 2014 and June 2019. The red areas correspond to those that show a displacement in the Satellite Observation Line (LOS) equal to or greater than 10 cm during this period (approx. 3 cm / year). The time series in Figure 7 corresponds to the deformation at one of the points of greatest inflation (indicated by a blue triangle in Fig. 6).
Based on the data of two electronic inclinometers, Cerro Negro –CER- and Chiles –ICH, the time series of the inclination components in the N and E directions between January 2016 and July 2019 are illustrated in Fig. 8. The E component of the ICH inclinometer shows a stable trend, with variation less than 20 μrad, while the North indicates an upward trend that accumulates about 400 μrad since May 2016. The Cerro Negro inclinometer shows variations that are not easily associated With volcanic activity, however, the change that was recorded between January and June 2018 in component E with an accumulated of 420 μrad and in March 2018 in component N with 133 μrad stands out.
The resulting deformation vector of the ICH inclinometer from May 2016 to date shows an inflation towards the S of the top of the Chiles volcano. On the other hand, the direction of the resulting vector of the CER inclinometer shows an inflation trend towards the NE zone with respect to the top of the Cerro Negro volcano, parallel to the trace of the Cerro Negro-Nasate fault, which may be associated with the movement in the Cerro Negro-Nasate fails in response to the activity of the Chiles volcano (Fig. 9).
The most interesting part of this unrest is the fact the surrounding sectors are uplifting as well, this is so easy to overlook that it took me several reading of the reports to notice that fact. The area of the greatest uplift encompasses several different volcanoes including Chiles – Cerro Negro, Potrerillos, and Chalpatan. Not only that but there has been copious amount earthquakes at the Chalpatan and Potrerillos as well. This probably means that there is some type of connection between these volcanoes. The Chalpatan caldera is likely the result of a major VEI 7 or 6 eruption as it roughly is the size of the Ilopango caldera and if these systems share a source then that means that this source has already produced a large eruption and might have capability to produce another.
Unfortunately, the surrounding volcanoes does not have any public data or even a page dedicated to it.
The first excerpt mentions pressure source at depths either matching or exceeding 13 km. The reports from the IGEPN seem to acknowledge this as fact. At that depth, a large magma chamber could be being reactivated and influencing unrest on the volcanoes it feeds. This would explain the faults being stressed by the activity over a long period despite more benign surface signs.
I am going to give my idea of what I think is happening, I believe the major earthquake during the seismic crisis inhibited deformation and gas emissions. It enhanced the compressive nature of the geological setup but didn’t limit the magmatic intrusion. This is because even after the earthquake, the swarm continued at high levels for months and the recent swarm is the result of the magma chamber pressurizing.
This is the reasoning I gave in the previous piece to explain the current swarm and the lack of deformation after the seismic crisis but it didn’t seem complete to me because it felt too simple. The magma chamber must have been pressurizing for years so why is there a swarm now? Because the magma chamber is approaching it’s limit. Which caused the earthquakes and now that the limit has almost been reached so the swarm is on a downward trend. This would explain widespread and somewhat low energy nature of this swarm but why hasn’t the rate of deformation increased? Because the deformation is a result of the magma chamber reaching its pressure limit to begin with. I am not saying that the volcano is going erupt soon. This uplift and swarm is most certainly not result of the failure of the ceiling of the magma chamber before an eruption.
If this is truly the case then this system has had unrest in the past which might be able to be detected with study and diligence. The lack of gas emissions could be explained with unrest taking place on a deeper level and with a large felsic magma chamber, the gas from reactivated system could be stuck in the magma chamber. The gas emissions during seismic crisis could be from the hydrothermal system.
I think this idea is plausible but not the only solution. I do want to contact these geological organizations to inquire them about issues concerning their reports. After all you can only make so many assertions with data this inconsistent. Maybe I should stop listening to this music as I track volcanoes.
38 thoughts on “Inconsistency and Cerro Negro”
“The cause of this egregious error is mysterious, is it incompetence, malice, or a lack of resources? Anyone’s guess. ”
I’ve always been a fan of the “cock up” theory of history, and always been sceptical of the “conspiracy” theory of history.
I’m not scientifically trained, but I’d suggest that the lack of information that’s frustrating you so much is that nobody has the information, not that they’re hiding it from you. These are relatively poor countries that we’re talking about. They just don’t have the resources that we volcano watchers might like them to have, to monitor the volcanoes that we love to have lots of data about it.
These countries have other priorities, and where there is no clear and present danger, I’m not sure that they’re wrong.
“The magma chamber must have been pressurizing for years so why is there a swarm now?”
I remember when I first started watching volcanoes, during the BB event. And wow, was I convinced that there was going to be a big bang. Even after the experts on this site where saying that the thing had passed it’s peak, and correctly predicted when it came to an end.
As I said, I’m not scientifically trained, and I had to read around the subject a fair bit, and watch some other volcanic crises, before I realised my noob error. My mistake had been to assume that all volcanoes built up pressure, and continued to build pressure right up to the point when they went pop. When in fact volcanoes go through periods of stress that is then released one way or another, with or without an eruption. So just because a volcano has had a period of stress doesn’t mean that another period of stress means it’ll erupt. I think the assumption that volcanoes constantly build pressure until they erupt is the source of the fallacy that volcanoes are ” overdue” an eruption. And it’s thinking that should be avoided.
And just because a volcano is big, and has had big eruptions in the past, it doesn’t always mean that it’ll have big eruptions in the near future.
I may be being overly complacent, but I expect that this, and many other volcanoes, aren’t as likely to catch people by surprise as you think. Before a big eruption, we’d expect to see much more violent signs over a period of time, than there have been so far, and that the current instruments in place are more than sufficient to trigger an appropriate response if that happens. Reading about the build up to the Pinatubo eruption is useful when considering what can happen when a large understudied volcano in a poor nation starts to show signs of waking up.
In short, it’s an interesting, if frustrating volcano that you’re watching. But don’t lose sleep over it. Just yet anyway 😉
I know that these are poorer countries and I can’t expect as much data as I would like to have but I have to draw the line somewhere and when these groups have issues reporting earthquakes, that is teetering on the edge of ridiculousness. The earthquake reports don’t match their own reports! Unless the instrumentation is extremely poor that is almost certainly a human issue.
I wasn’t trying to give off the impression that they’re trying to hide some type of VEI 8 eruption but the idea that there might be something they are not releasing that would make the future of the complex more uncertain or the fact that they might not really know how many earthquakes or how fast this complex is inflating.
The GPS monitoring devices are giving of a completely different levels of inflation then their insar data.
It is exceptionally hard for me to believe that this all just a lack of resources. I am not a trained scientist but I could quite easily find these discrepancies and if one young adult with a laptop could find this out then I am sure these trained scientists at least knows about one of the inconsistency.
I wasn’t very clear about the magma chamber’s pressurizing, The system has likely been under intrusion for almost 7 years now but the inflation has only really begun 6 months after seismic crisis.
I have an anxiety disorder and an overactive imagination so I am not sure if the idea that this volcano could produce a caldera forming eruption completely based in my scientific thought but all of the prospects I have noticed seems possible and unfortunately for me, I can’t find any good data that would counteract my proposition
Cerro Negro is cold alkaline basalt or basaltic andesite?
Whats the composition of Cerro Negro?
You are the expert
It is dactite.with some basaltic andesite flows here and there.
I agree with Peter Corney.
Without understanding the geological organisations within these countries then it’s probably impossible to evaluate the data with any precision.
It could be that you are accessing some raw data as well as processed data for instance. It could also be that the people or systems used to publish data on the internet are untrained or outdated or just plain wrong.
Where I live in the UK we are prone to river flooding so as a matter of course we keep track of our Environment Agency web sites which amongst other tasks, give ‘real time’ river height data for all our tributaries in the watershed. However it has taken quite a few years for them to develop a decent system. A few years ago they had issues where river height monitors would ‘max out’ or go offline (software out of data range?) or the actual height on their graphic was hidden by a text, or other transmission related faults etc usually when the system was under stress eg in flood!. And this in a ‘developed’ nation with something as simple as river height data.
Basically you have to understand not only the numbers but the process (physical, social, software etc) underlying any investigation. Maybe there is some young intern somewhere just plugging in values to a database to fulfil a paper filling exercise for a government institution which isn’t well funded or monitored.
My suspicion is that the geologists in these organisations probably do know what is going on and we have to trust in them.
Is this the same Andean ‘volcanic complex’ with a vast, slowly inflating regional uplift and the makings of a ‘super-volcano’ if it ‘goes large’ ??
If so, Be Not There !!
Can’t find the reference but, IIRC, its last, fairly modest eruption apparently fertilised the entire Amazon basin…
No, I don’t think this is part of the Altiplano-Puna volcanic complex. If it was, it’d most likely be rhyolite in composition, but Talis said it’s andesite/basaltic andesite. correct me if i’m wrong though.
The article is about Chiles-Cerro Negro at the border between Colombia and Ecuador, the Altiplano-Puna volcanoes are far to the south in the central Andes. Two different systems yes.
I can’t really see a major problem. The Colombian website is not as user friendly. The plot from Ecuador is below and it seems fine. It detects earthquakes to a little less than M1, which is similar to what Iceland does in places without extra seismographs (it is what Hekla used to be and Grimsvotn still is). The cross pattern shows that some earthquakes have imprecise positions which is not a surprise. They list about 1800 quakes over the past 6 months, but not many in the last three months: activity is way down. They have done the modeling of pyroclastic flows and indicate where the danger areas are. I think they have done their job and done it well. What locals do with this information is different, of course.
If you are still in doubt, I recommend you trust the Ecuadorian scientists: I can’t see much wrong with their information apart from that an extra seismograph or two might improve the location information of the quakes. That says nothing bad about Colombia, just that I haven’t gone through their systems.
The problem, to me, is that there is such large discrepancy with both groups data. The seismic map from the Ecuadorian government back in october only showed 4,000 earthquakes meaning there would have 143,000 earthquakes in 6 month period which is not mentioned in either groups reports.
The problem for me is I can’t get a clear picture on this system and lack of consistent data doesn’t help.
Their seismic map is correct, as far as I can see. The other earthquakes will have been ones at magnitudes below 1, strong enough to register on a seismograph but not strong enough to be able to measure a location.
Yeah! I caused about 9000 -M2 quakes today! 😁
Oops, should have appeared in the thread below.
if you bumped into something this often while walking then you may need to see an optician! Your feet transfer less energy to the ground, maybe a -2.7 or so per step.. It is a good ilustration of how small these small quakes really are.
The daily reports for the volcano from igepn still are not even close to the sgc
Can you show a comparison of the two?
I’ll use last week as an example
Here is the link for daily reports from the IGEPN.
And the SGC report?
284 for the sgc report
76 for the Igepn.
would that be one of these ? http://www3.sgc.gov.co/sgc/volcanes/VolcanCerroNegro/Paginas/registros-en-linea.aspx
would that be one of these ?http://www3.sgc.gov.co/sgc/volcanes/VolcanCerroNegro/Paginas/registros-en-linea.aspx
Here is the link to the weekly report I am speaking of.
Magnitude Mw 5.1
Region MAYOTTE REGION
Date time 2020-01-02 16:00:31.4 UTC
Location 12.88 S ; 45.55 E
Depth 10 km
Distances 37 km E of Mamoudzou, Mayotte / pop: 54,900 / local time: 19:00:31.4 2020-01-02
282 km SE of Moroni, Comoros / pop: 42,900 / local time: 19:00:31.4 2020-01-02
701 km N of Antananarivo, Madagascar / pop: 1,392,000 / local time: 19:00:31.4 2020-01-02
Follows on from a 4.6 yesterday.
I have seen some quakes charted around the world at a magnitude of below zero (-1.0 or whatever). How is that possible? I always figured a zero to be no shaking or movement.
St. Helens and Rainier tend to have a few quakes below zero magnitude, so I’ve often wondered about that.
It is a logarithm scale and that can go negative. Each step is a factor of 30 less energy. A magnitude zero earthquake generates energy roughly corresponds to 50,000 Joule. A magnitude -3 quake is 1 Joule. (Rough numbers: don’t quote me on this.) The energy contained in you going at 1 m/s (an easy walking pace) corresponds to about a magnitude earthquake -2.
Wow, thanks Albert! That link was very helpful.
Wait until you see the twinkie scale…. 😀
The twinkie scale was developed in order to illustrate the small size of some of the earthquakes in Iceland post Eyjafjallajökull when everyone was getting excited over really small earthquakes. Quakes do not seem as ominous when expressed as the equivalent food energy of a twinkie. One step above that is the cheeseburger scale, but it is not as poignant. In general, until you get up into the tractor trailer load size of twinkies, the quakes are not as important.
I think I fpund out why the IGEPN reported less earthquakes then the SGC.
The CHL2 and 1 seismometers show a much smaller signal for the 4.9 earthquake then ECEN despite these stations being close.
The first reported eruption of 2020 is the expected explosion of Shishaldin Volcano. AVO reports an ash cloud 7 km high. It erupts about once per decade so that should do until 2030.
What about the prospect of large felsic magma chamber with this volcano and the surrounding volcanoes?
How likely do you guys think that is?
Very unlikely I would say, there is a lack of large calderas across Colombia and Ecuador. Most calderas are either horseshoe-shaped from flank failures or small calderas from VEI 6 eruptions (Quilotoa, Cuicocha…). This is also reasonable because the area is transitioning into flat slab subduction in which volcanism shuts off, influx of magma into these volcanoes is probably already decreased and not allowing large magma chambers to form.
That said Chiles-Cerro Negro may be capable of a VEI 6, but I don’t think it can produce anything above that.
Two bigger quakes in Iceland
That’s the first M5 from Bárðarbunga since the Holuhraun eruption ended. Bárðarbunga has been a bit quiet lately and I was starting to wonder if it was slowing down, but this brings the cumulative seismic moment graph right back up to stay on its average slope. I think this will be the pattern for years to come, with fewer small quakes and then the occasional large one.
And while I was typing it was downgraded to M4.8, so we are still waiting for the first M5…
And very shallow…..
New post is up! A winter wonderland.
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